Rewatching the like 45 mins bonus footage of Ant doing this turn in the forehand cutback section.

If I'm more upright going into first turn is the front hand doing more of a "hand turn point the thumb thing" while my right hand touches my face? Or is it the left hand up, open the shoulder blade turn?

Is it just a feel thing? Like the accomplish the same turn and it's what feels better in the turn thing? Is there a difference?

This is another one from the same session with my back more upright, as well as my hand up higher, but not being compressed as much.

This one was not allowing me to get as high on the wall in the corner which I felt was then limiting my speed going into the backhand turn and making that part of it more difficult.

So minus the fact my hands are NOT up high enough, is this the straight back position I need? Or is that still not upright enough.

I am slightly confused on the straight back vs having my head over my front knee and toe.

I realize in the clips my arms are not high enough, I was working on that later just not included with the clips I uploaded. But I feel like if my back was more upright I might be too much on the back foot.

Thanks for the help and comments. Trying my best to apply the constructive criticism and improve.

The other end of the bowl is more squared off and does NOT have that little hip. Not really sure if that would make the turns harder or not. The hip does help getting you moving in the right direction on the backside turn. I'll give it a few attempts at the other end next time I go.

Not a fan of the 2nd down on the left or bottom one on right. Maybe I'm prejudice against bubble letters. The others are cool.

Ill give it my best coach.

Michiel van Gerven the main issue I'm having is just the lack of time between the 2 turns, because it's such a tight gap if I don't get my head super low I can't, at this point anyway, get into the backhand quick enough and I end up going almost straight up the roll in.

My thoughts at this point are I need to enter turn one sooner, ie before the corner, and get more vertical to give myself more time to switch over to the backhand. If I take the front side (1st) turn wider, it's putting me half way up the roll in before I have time to weight into the backside turn.

I also feel like I need to drop that back knee lower, to get more weight over the toe side rail sooner. As well as getting my left arm up and throwing it over kind of like Clayton demonstrates in his roundhouse cutback videos. Like I'm hitting the foam and letting the foam push me through the turn.

Gonna play with it more and more till I get it figured out.

Michiel van Gerven OMBE should make T-shirts... All aboard the struggle bus... embrace the suck!

This was sort of the problem I was having trying to utilize more of the roundness off the hip, the roll-in was kinda jack knifing my front truck, because of the angle I was approaching it at and the angle the roll in comes in at. It was kinda bringing me to an abrupt halt and wanting to pitch me forward and face plant me into the lip.

I'm gonna keep at it, watching the video back I feel like I really need to get my back knee lower, kissing the front more, so I can absorb the corner more and not come to such an off balance position.

It's certainly fun to try, cause it's such a tight turn and happens so quickly going forside to backside.