These waves are about one year apart. Different wave pool settings and different loaner boards. It's not a perfect comparrison, but my top turn is starting to feel better. On the one from this year, you can see I am still having an issue with getting my shoulders to open. It literally feels like my right arm and head are blocked from rotating, but at least my back arm isn't wildly swinging in the wrong direction like the turn from the prior year. I've had turns in the ocean that felt better where I was able to clear that right arm and look back to the foam, but I don't have any video to analyze exactly what I am doing different on my better attempts.

For speed generarion, I think I need to lift my arms higher on the extension part of the pumping so that I go up the wave more rather than just across it, but any feedback on the pumping or the turn is welcome.

Anyone have experience surfing standing/flow waves, and if so, are they helpful at all for practicing turns or is it just totally different than an ocean wave?

My schedule and the waves, or lack thereof, haven't been lining up well lately, so looking for some different things to try in addition to surf skating. No proper wave pools nearby, but a couple places have flow waves.

Thanks.

John Kuras You motivated me to give the figure 8 a go. I've practiced single turns in these corners but never tried to link them. I had a bunch of failed attempts before finding a little rythm. I kept jackknifing on the front side turns in my early attempts and stalling on the backside. I found the main thing that helped was looking for the opposite wall as I went through the turn. I can see this being helpful for getting the head around on turns in the water, but I've found these sharper turns aren't necessarily realistic for where I am at in my surfing. Having corners opposite each other with a more mellow turn would probably be better. Something closer to the OMBE bowl.