Whelp, according to John John's Facebook post 5 mins ago, he won't be competing this year. Taking the year to sail on his boat and explore new waves, so already benching my top pick.

Rohan the norm at least per skateboarding is frontside is front facing ramp or wave. At least it is when I youtube frontside grind videos or whatever.

I was getting that backside (2nd) turn in quicker today with less pause at the top. Just really focusing on compressing that back knee through the turn as much as I can makes it whip around quicker and gets me more towards inverted so my board can pivot around me.

Few more sessions and I figure I'll have it locked it and than I can work on pushing it up higher towards the coping.

Rohan okay that does make sense. Typically though frontside/backside refers the which part is facing the wave or the ramp in this case, which is why it confused me.

I know typically, if surfing, I would want that second turn to be quicker. And for that you are correct I do need to stop looking left and get my head around quicker, I'd also like to be a little more leaned in towards the bowl to snap it around quicker and get my head lower.

I would also like to carve that turn around the bowl corner as well just to help keep the flow while skating it, and possibly get myself up onto the coping. So I plan on practicing and perfecting both versions in time.

This is the line in my mind I think I'd like to work up to.

1st turn (frontside) basically as it is now around corner to gain speed.

2nd turn (backside) longer and drawn out, with maybe a cheeky grind on the coping if I can work up the nerve and skill to get there.

In my head, that's what I would think would look and flow best with the bowl and the line I'm taking/trying to take.

But your comment confuses me because I personally feel like the frontside turn is the better of the 2 I've been doing. Maybe I'm wrong or just confused. Both happen often!

So you think the first turn is too wide? Cause the first one is the frontside turn, unless I'm confusing the two.

Or are you saying the 2nd turn (what I was considering the backside turn) too wide?

Honestly, the second turn I feel like would look and feel better if I could hold longer to get around the corner of the bowl. Or at least that's what I was planning on working towards.

Thanks....but not quite yet. Amazing will be IF I can get that 2nd turn up onto the coping AND grind it around the corner of the bowl.

But now that the figure 8 happens more consistently I can start working my way on up there.

Scott Wagenblast yea. I miss Jersey waves. Used to surf the south jetty in Brigantine all the time. I do surf more here cause the water is warmer and I work 3 blocks from the ocean so that's nice. The waves are much weaker and good less often though.

Pretty sure the ocean floor shelf here extends much further off shore making the waves weaker and less size.

Win some lose some I guess.

Scott Wagenblast cherry Grove is my usual surf spot down here. This is what our forecast looks like 75% of the year.

Graham Marsden this is a screen capture only a few frames after the one you took. Watching the video it doesn't seem like my body position or the bend in my elbow changes much in the between frames. So it really feels like I'm in a similar position.

Again, I may not be. It's hard to tell cause it happens In maybe 3 or 4 frames of my cell footage and if a view from behind, plus I'm wearing all black which makes it even harder to distinguish my body characteristics. It's my work uniform and I don't get to pick color, though I probably would have chosen black anyway.

I'm for sure interested in getting a new angle of it now though to find out for sure. I would love to find a way to hang the camera over the coping to get a true front on shot without running into my phone.

Maybe I'll rig something up this weekend to see if I can make that happen.

Graham Marsden I think it's more so the camera angle than anything else. Again, I could be wrong cause I don't have that angle of myself.