Are you suggesting more of this line?

If so I'd really have to give it a try to see if I could do it as I've never attempted it. I've been trying to use that little hip to help guide and push me through the cutback portion. It's the only hip in the bowl and honestly I've just never thought to give it a go that way.

Don't know. Never tried it.

Scott Wagenblast I've been on a long journey myself. Always loved the ocean, loved bodyboarding, but when my crew of friends stopped doing it I thought I'll learn to surf. Been about a 20 year journey. I used to live 1.5 hours from the nearest beach, so I'd surf maybe 3 or 4 times a year, IF the waves were good, and on a weekend, or a day i could get off from work.

Now I live 15 mins from the beach, work 3 blocks from the ocean and the water in south carolina is always "warm" so I can surf much more often than I used to. Then I found OMBE which has helped A LOT!

I also happen to luck into that new skate bowl built close enough for me to use before work after dropping my kids off at school. We are supposed to get a wave garden surf pool in a year or 2 so I can surf even more then and get some actual water footage when it happens and hopefully really improve.

The skate training though I feel is making the biggest difference for me. Mainly because I can go bust out 20 or 30 reps of something in the 20 mins before I go to work. I've had more fun surfing and learning in the past 13 months of OMBE, and made more progress than in the 20 Years of being a weekend warrior and trying to just figure it out on my own.

Pick a brand you like and they will probably have a volume calculator. Again, I'm a Firewire guy so I use their calculator a lot and know their board catalog pretty well.

The Machado Cado model, the Mashup model would both fit your desires based on your above statement.

Again, try to find a Firewire Fleets location and rent them first. I have both of the above models and like the Cado model more, cause for some reason I like a wider nose. It just visually works for me more.

Scott Wagenblast Scott Wagenblast I learned to surf regular. Think it's mostly because I came from a bodyboarding background and used to ride dropknee a lot, and regular stance was usually the way I did that. But when I tried skateboarding many many years ago, pre surfing, I learned goofy. So I was all mixed up.

I tried learning to surf goofy and that was an epic failure. So instead I relearned ro skate regular to match my surfing. Now I don't even think I could attempt to skate goofy. Not that I was any good at it as a teenager anyways.

It does all feel more natural now that I am more used to it. But a year ago I couldn't even stand on the skateboard regular stance let alone try to push down the street. Ate shyte more than I care to remember.

Yea, my bowl feels super tiny compared to what the OMBE bowl looks like. When Clayton/Ant were doing the cutbacks in the video they were doing corners 1 and 3 or 2 and 4. I feel like I'm trying to do mine on corners 1 and 2 or 3 and 4 which is making it feel super quick.

It's also only my 2nd day (about 40 Mims total) of trying them, so that feeling may change. If you told me a year ago I'd be skating a bowl regular stance and even trying these turns I wouldn't have believed it. (Used to skate goofy foot and relearned regular stance over the past year and 1 month.)

It's been a fun trip. I get crap for waves until we hopefully get a wave pool in 2 years, so this skate and dry land training is really where all my surf improvement has come from.

Keep at it.

In the bonus video of Ant doing it in the Cutback section: Clayton says to him to toss the ball, straighten the back, and soften the knee through the turn.

I feel like here I was trying to soften before the turn and extend up the turn, even though it doesn't look like I actually do much extending.

Is the softening before the transition then extending up ONLY when we are talking about flowing around the bowl, BUT during a turn it kinda the opposite? Ie: straighten before the turn, soften through the turn?

I hope I'm explaining it all right. I know it's difficult to sometimes put motions in words that make it make sense. So I appreciate everyone's feedback.

Couldn't skate today as I actually have patients at work today and it's 23 degrees out so it's freezing. But I will be rewatching the bonus video again later and trying to apply that to what I'm trying to do.

Also would like to add: I really wish there was a way for us to coaches eye the videos in the catalog. I can watch them in super slow motion, BUT I don't have the ability to kinda thumb slide the frames back and forth to really frame by frame the different hand positions or head positions etc.

Not sure if that is doable BUT It would be awesome feature. It could also just be my phone as Andriods are weird sometimes. Does that exist for anyone on Apple?

Rewatching the like 45 mins bonus footage of Ant doing this turn in the forehand cutback section.

If I'm more upright going into first turn is the front hand doing more of a "hand turn point the thumb thing" while my right hand touches my face? Or is it the left hand up, open the shoulder blade turn?

Is it just a feel thing? Like the accomplish the same turn and it's what feels better in the turn thing? Is there a difference?

This is another one from the same session with my back more upright, as well as my hand up higher, but not being compressed as much.

This one was not allowing me to get as high on the wall in the corner which I felt was then limiting my speed going into the backhand turn and making that part of it more difficult.