Graham Marsden I think it's more so the camera angle than anything else. Again, I could be wrong cause I don't have that angle of myself.

Graham Marsden this is Ant doing the same cutback in the bonus video (45mins or so) at the end of the cutback section.

This is what it feels like I'm doing by being in that hunched or leaning position.

Now I'm super curious to get film from a different angle to see if this is actually what I'm doing or not.

I don't know how I could set the camera up to film it this way yet though. At the time I go to the park no one else is there to video for me, and as I mentioned I use to traffic cone with the top cut off that holds my phone but it won't allow the phone to angle down to get a closer perspective.

Might have to invest in a tripod or selfie stick to get a clip.

I think it may look more behind me because of the camera angle than it actually is. I can't film from a different angle though cause I use a traffic cone, that the skaters ollie over, to hold my phone, and filming from this point is the only way to get the 2 turns into frame since I can not angle the phone down or anything.

I can try to maybe film just the second turn from a different angle to confirm. But it never feels like it's behind me. I really tried today to be conscious of my arms because I wanted to stop dropping them to my knees before the turns.

As to the being hunched over I don't know if that is fixable because I have to lean so hard toe side to be able to make that cutback turn.

I was really focused on trying to airplane bank to get my head lower in order to make the 2 turns In side a tight bowl. I feel like as soon as I hit the drain if I'm not completely toe weighted I won't fit it in.

I can't say that with 100% certainty for now but when I watch the full clips, anytime I am more upright I can't get the 2nd turn in and hit that blue ledge.

I will attempt to film a different angle to give a different perspective of it though.

Bro you don't even know what completely flat is LOL. I moved from NJ to SC (myrtle beach). I swear we have the smallest swell window in the world, it's always flat here. The waves are the ONLY thing i miss about NJ, well maybe that and the legal mary jane.

So no, unfortunately, I have not surfed recently. This is one of the main reasons I skate the bowl so much, it's all I have :(

NJ was firing around Christmas and I sat down here watching it and crying. My only saving grace is we are "supposed" to get a wave garden in 2 years 10 mins from my house.

Looks like you are trying to do your cardboard slide and extension at the bottom when you're in the flats.

You do your first turn, go up the wave down the wave, then it looks like your standing flat on your board and not at the up part of the wave when you try to do your first cardboard slide and extension and you don't get anywhere cause there is no curve in that part of the wave to help draw you back up the face.

You also seem to never really extend on the ups, your knees stay bent almost the whole time and you appear to be hinged more at the waist rather than standing up straight back and kissing the back knee to the front knee.

I mean you can honestly surf skate anywhere. Smooth street, car park, parking garage with some downhill slopes, skate parks, pump tracks, drain your neighbors pool and skate that.

You just have to be careful if your skating flat ground to not start bad habits like the dreaded wiggle. Like Clayton says take a few good pushes and practice that one good turn, not a bunch of bad habits (wiggle) than 1 good turn.

I mean depending where you filming your gonna need a long distance lens.

My wife who is a photography buff says if she were attempting to video me surfing using her Sony A7iii camera she would need either a 70 to 200 or a 200 to 400 lens. Both that camera and the lens are super expensive.

If you were to try to use your cellphone to record I know they make lens that clip/slide over your stock phone lens to allow you to zoom in further.

This is not really my area of expertise but again my wife is really into photography and those are her recommendations for if she was trying to shoot surf video from shore at the distance most waves break from her safe shooting distance.

Graham Marsden I'll try it tomorrow if I skate. I do like the hand down thumb roll technique though. I always picture grabbing and swinging around a pole and it seems to help me get more inverted over going around the bend

That move doesn't work so well for me. Partially torn rotator cuff on the left, from falling in the bowl, hard to raise my arm up and back. It's so bad I have to usually ask someone else to help peel me out of my wetsuit. I don't even have the strength to pull my arm up and out of the sleeve, can't scratch my own back anymore either. Old age sucks!

So when I saw the video of Ant learning this turn Clayton told him to act like he was tossing a ball to a toddler and just roll the thumb over. I've been using that method ever since.

My brain knows that...my body will catch up. I'll get it. I'm off work tomorrow, gonna spend a few hours working it out instead of cramming it into my 20 mins pre work sessions.